Stealing Looting Ancient World

Stealing History: Tomb Raiders, Smugglers, and the Looting of the Ancient World
Roger Atwood knows more about the market for ancient objects than almost anyone. He knows where priceless antiquities are buried, who is digging them up, and who is fencing and buying them. In this fascinating book, Atwood takes readers on a journey through Iraq, Peru, Hong Kong, and across America, showing how the worldwide antiquities trade is destroying what's left of the ancient sites before archaeologists can reach them, and thus erasing their historical significance. And it is getting worse. The discovery of the legendary Royal Tombs of Sipan in Peru started an epidemic. Grave robbers scouring the courntryside for tombs--and finding them. Atwood recounts the incredible story of the biggest piece of gold ever found in the Americas, a 2,000-year-old, three-pound masterpiece that cost one looter his life, sent two smugglers to jail, and wrecked lives from Panama to Pennsylvainia.

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What are the 3cities in the world where you'll find ancient Egyptian obelisks that were stolen over centuries?


All over Europe, ancient Egyptian obelisks were erected as imperial trophies in traffic circles and plazas, as St. Peter's Square in Rome; the obelisk from Luxor in the Place de la Concorde in Paris and Cleopatra's Needles, one on the Victoria Embankment in London, other in the Central Park in New York City and another in the Ile-de-France in Paris. http://img6.travelblog.org/Photos/17776/378864/t/3535219-Obelisk-St-Peter-s-Square-2.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Louxor_obelisk_Paris_dsc00780.jpg http://www.google.com.br/imgres?imgurl=http://www.milesfaster.co.uk/information/london-attractions/images/cleopatras-needle.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.milesfaster.co.uk/information/london-attractions/cleopatras-needle.htm&h=404&w=275&sz=16&tbnid=ngUxDkONd6WaIM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=84&prev=/images%3Fq%3DCleopatra%2527s%2BNeedles%2Bphoto&hl=pt-BR&usg=__fj-VhPmyJT2597SqjOdD3S0LNCY=&ei=QElFS7zNINCLuAebufyIAg&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=3&ct=image&ved=0CAsQ9QEwAg http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2125314490046209414RXOunH http://www.tripadvisor.com.br/LocationPhotos-g187147-d1024224-Cleopatra_s_Needle-Paris_Ile_de_France.html
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Why the greeks have stolen the ancient culture of Albanian- Pelasgean people?
The mythology of greek it isn't greeks but is Albanian, all the names and words have sense only in Albanian dialectic language! Informed your self take an Albanian dictionary and the Iliad in original language like Homer write it, comparate the worlds by your self!When Homer was born, the Greeks had just recently learned how to use the alphabet from the Phoenicians. Homer lived around 700 BC, in the Archaic period in Greece. No one knows where in Greece he lived exactly, and Homer didn't make up these stories, or even the words, himself. The Greeks lived in a lot of little city-states they do not have a nation and in the Bronze Age each one had in its own city a king.Before the Trojan war there is no indication of helens.Greeks were invited by pelasgians in their cities . -Zeus survives as "Zot" in the Albanian language and it's mean "VOICE". The invocation of his name is the common form of oath among the modern Albanians. Athena ( the Latin Minerva), the goddess of wisdom as expressed in speech, would evidently owe its derivation to the Albanian "E Thena," which simply means "speech." Thetis, the goddess of waters and seas, would seem to be but Albanian "Deti" which means "sea." - The word "Ulysses,"whether in its Latin or Greek form "Odysseus," means "traveler" in the Albanian language, according as the word "udhe,"(udhetues) which stands for "route" and "traveler," is written with "d" or "l," both forms being in use in Albanian. Absence Of Evidence Does Not Correlate To Evidence Of Absence. According to mythology Illyrios was the child of Cadmus & Harmonia. And Cadmus was the son of Agenor who was a greek hero! So all old greeks were pelasgians. So the old helen only by languge different from other pellasgians(illyrians, epiriots, macedonians). They rapresent only a partial culture of a big nation. The question is:"what are the new greeks"? more important element in the population of Greece is formed by the Albanians (ca.240 000), called Arvanitae (Arnaouts) by the Greeks, while they name themselves Skyptars' Karl Baedeker Greece: 'Handbook for Travelers' in 1909 The Arvanites (the white greks of today) are closer to Albanians in their DNA, but it's their problem that they call themself greeks and not arvanites because there are brainwashed. The Y-Chromosome Haplogroup Frequency- The Today Greek CHART Population hg1 hg2 hg3 hg4 hg7 hg8 hg9 hg10 hg12 hg13 hg16 hg21 hg22 hg26 hg28 Greek 11 22 8 0 0 0 28 0 0 0 0 28 0 3 0 POPULATION DNA DISTANCE FROM Greeks: 1 Cypriot 8 -2 Turkish 21- 3 Ashkenazi Jews 23-4 Sephardic Jews 24-5 Romanian 26 -6 Muslim Kurds 26-7 Bulgarian 29-8 Armenian 30 -9 Kurdish Jews 32 - today greek blood and DNA: The genotype and allele frequencies of the 9.1-kb polymorphism in 1,844 unrelated healthy donors from Mediterranean populations living in 26 different geographic locations. The frequency of the 9.1 kb + allele is remarkably uniform and less than 0.50 across the different populations living in North Africa and Greece and ranges from 0.44 (Casablanca) to 0.49 (Athens)!! This is my DNA examination done in this intitution www.genetree.com/index.php , and i'm an Albanian born in the old city of Apolonia(Fier today) Eu4 10%-Greco/Cretan-Phoenician Eu7 50% -pelasg-Illyrian-Germanic Eu18 40% - Roman/Latin & Euro-Celtic . in Homer's Iliad, and Odyssey, whilst the aristocrats such as Achilles and Menelaus have blond hair, the slaves Eurybates and Thersites are brunet. Indeed, the Greek orator Dio of Prusa noted that the Greek ideal of beauty was a Nordic one. The Greeks, he said, admired the blond Achilles, but thought that the barbarian Trojan Hector, was black-haired. [Günther (1956).] The poet Bacchylides said that the women of Sparta were blonde, and Dicaearchus said much the same thing about the women of Thebes. [Günther (1956).] For the Greeks, the most beautiful woman who ever lived, Helen, was a blonde, as were those mythical men such as Adonis, who were famed for their handsomeness. [Sieglin (1935).] The Albanian population structure is analyzed based on the allele frequencies of six classic genetic markers: ACP, GC, PGM1, AK, ADA, and 6PGD. The results show a significant heterogeneity between the Albanian population: the frequencies of some alleles, particularly those of the PGM*1W31 variant, and the analysis of the R matrix still show the actual peculiar genetic structure of the Albanians! Albania = 75% Dinaric, 10% West Mediterranean, 10% Alpine, 5% Noric = 5% periphery Nordish. Rif: http://www.racialcompact.com/n ordishrace.html Even the name GREEK isn’t greek! Romans added their latin suffix -ci making it Graeci. Well, in Pelasgian mythology “Graia” or “Graes” were three old ladies sisters of the monsters called Gorgon and u can grab any mythology book and read their story. In Albanian language "Gra" means exactly that, “Old Ladies”. Singular "Grua/Gruaja" and plural "Gra". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language The name Albanian has been found in records since the time of Ptolemy. A few brief written records are preserved from the 15th century, the first being a baptismal formula from 1462. Albanian is an Indo-European language which forms its own branch in the Indo-European family and has no close relatives, was recognized by the German philologist, Franz Bopp, in 1854 were elaborated by another German philologist, Gustav Meyer, in the 1880s and 1890s, further linguistic refinements Danish linguist Holger Pedersen and the Austrian Norbert Jokl. Although Albanian has a host of borrowings from its neighbours, it shows exceedingly few evidences of similitudes with ancient Greek; one such is the Gheg mokÔn (Tosk mokÔr) "millstone," from the Greek mekhane'. Obviously close contacts with the Romans gave many Latin loans; e.g., mik "friend," from Latin amicus; kÔndoj "sing, read" from cantare. The following etymologies illustrate the relationship of Albanian to Indo-European (an asterisk preceding a word denotes an unattested, hypothetical Indo-European parent word, which is written in a conventionalized orthography): pes‘ "five" (from *pŽnk e); zjarm "fire" (from *g hermos); nat‘ "night" (from *nok t-); dh‘nd‘r "son-in-law" (from * gem ter-); gjarp‘r "snake" (from *sŽrpon-); bjer "bring!" (from *bhere); djeg "I burn" (from *dheg ho); kam "I have" (from *kapmi); pata "I had" (from *pot-); pjek "I roast" (from * peko); thom, thot‘ "I say, he says" (from *k'emi, *k'et . . .). Of ancient languages, both Dacian (or Daco-Mysian) and Illyrian have been considered its ancestor or nearest relative. http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-42623/Albania x hoplite: I'm Blond, blue eyes, white skin and 1.90 high and I AM ALBANIAN BORN IN CITY IN SOUTH ALBANIA AND I HAVE PARENTS IN EPIRIO = ARVANITAI AND THEY ARE ALL BLOND, WHITE, LIGHT-EYE LIKE ME ! BY THE WAY THEY CALL THEM SELFS ALBANIANS!

It's called, "Interpretatio Graeca." Clarification: Zot is the Albanian word for "Lord." Zë (pronounced "zuh" for those who don't know) means sound // voice. Finally, Zëu means "THE sound // voice." Thunder makes a hell of a loud SOUND, don't you think? . [ADDED] @ RAGZEUS -"By the way who suggested this ridiculous theory?? Some crazy characters from Tirana I assume!!" No, man, Emile Legrand, Milan Šufflay, Ludwig von Thalloczy, Jean G. Kersopoulos, ...(just to name a few) ALL believe Albanians have deep roots in the Balkans !! = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = No one (except Albanophobes) believes in the ridiculous theory that Albanians are latecomers to the Balkans and the Aghuan people of the Caucaus are their ancestors !! . [ADDED] @@ RAGZEUS I meant these historians believed in an Illyrian-Albanian continuity, which makes Illyrian influence on Greek mythology PLAUSIBLE !!! - Šufflay: http://www.ceeol.com/aspx/issuedetails.aspx?issueid=fe32956f-8ccf-4d32-a6c2-6fd88f0a1287&articleId=bd63c5d1-6bed-4d8b-bca5-5a3a5975b9ac - Thallóczy's: "Illyrisch-albanische Forschungen" (Illyro-Albanian Investigation) Plus, the Albanian translations fit the mythology, unlike the fanciful Greek interpretations: - Zëu (sound) relates to the rumbling and cracking of the THUNDER that Zeus throws down. What does "the living one" have to do with the mythology (nothing). - What made Odysseus "hateful" ? - Your etymology of Athena is just a GUESS, the name has UNKNOWN ORIGIN http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/myth.php - Last, but not least Aphrodite, "risen from the foam" ...LOL !!! What came first, the name or the "fairytale" of her birth. As a Greek, you should be embarrassed that you've managed to screw-up Thetis with Tethys !!! This only proves that you only copy-and-paste other people's mistakes and pass them off as facts. READ THE WORKS OF REAL HISTORIANS FOR ONCE !!!
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In an ancient culture where the population is widely scattered and there is no police force nor 911 system....?
.....of communications to quickly deal with crime, do you think it is wrong/immoral/unjust to have a "brutal" legal code where: 1) thieves get their hands cut off. {Petty thieves think twice before stealing.} 2) Recidivism is not a problem with kidnappers and rapists because just one such offense is punished by death. Many ancient cultures condemned "vigilante justice" and established trial procedures so that such severe punishments were not applied casually or capriciously. (And the Law of Moses provided cities of refuge where defendants in involuntary manslaughter and accident death situations could get a fair trial and be safe from vengeful family members.) So, are we "right" to condemn the "brutal judicial systems" of the ancient world, including those describe in the Bible/Tanakh, Quran, etc. OR is it all "fair" if all citizens were fully aware of the laws and punishments?

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Do you think ancient Athens or Sparta is better?
In history class today, we had a debate over which was better. I personally think Athens, because they were smart and created a whole new world for learning and education. They were very advanced compared to the Spartans, and they treated children much better. Sparta encouraged stealing and bad things while Athens encouraged leaning and education. The majority of students said Sparta was better. I don't agree. I want to know if there's anyone out there who agrees with me? If you do, can you come up with some more reasons to why Athens is better? Because I want to be able to stump the Spartan supporters during class. Thanks!

Spartan society was a warrior society, where the "Equals" spent all their time in brutal military training. They were able to do this because of their Helot slaves which they treated very harshly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypteia Krypteia or crypteia (Greek: κρυπτεία / krupteía, from κρυπτός / kruptós, “hidden, secret things”) was a tradition involving young Spartans, part of the agoge (classical Greek ἀγωγή) regime of Spartan education. Its goal and nature are still a matter of discussion among historians. Young Spartan men who had completed their training at the agoge with such success that they were marked out as potential future leaders would be given the opportunity to test their skills and prove themselves worthy of the Spartan military tradition through participation in the krypteia. Every autumn, according to Plutarch (Life of Lycurgus, 28, 3–7), the Spartan ephors (classical Greek Ἔφοροι) would pro forma declare war on the helot population so that any Spartan citizen could kill a helot without fear of blood guilt. Unarmed, the kryptes were sent out into the countryside with the instructions to kill any helot they encountered at night and to take any food they needed. This could be used to remove any helots considered troublesome and provide the young men with a manhood test and experience of their first kill. Such brutal oppression of the helots permitted the Spartans to control the agrarian population and devote themselves to military practice. It may also have contributed to the Spartans' reputation for stealth.
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